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		<title>By: ENnie Awards 2008 Nominations, And I&#8217;m In Them! - Highmoon&#8217;s Ponderings - DMPerez.com - The Domain of Daniel M.Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.dmperez.com/2007/12/02/bothered-and-bothered-by-it/comment-page-1/#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>ENnie Awards 2008 Nominations, And I&#8217;m In Them! - Highmoon&#8217;s Ponderings - DMPerez.com - The Domain of Daniel M.Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am incredibly proud of this book, in part because of the way my involvement in it came to be (see THIS and THIS), but really because of the amazing experience I had working on it, both on a personal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I am incredibly proud of this book, in part because of the way my involvement in it came to be (see THIS and THIS), but really because of the amazing experience I had working on it, both on a personal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spirit of the Season v2.0 &#38; Thoughts - Highmoon&#8217;s Ponderings - DMPerez.com - The Domain of Daniel M.Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spirit of the Season v2.0 &#38; Thoughts - Highmoon&#8217;s Ponderings - DMPerez.com - The Domain of Daniel M.Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I immediately downloaded it, since I knew it was coming from having read Fred&#8217;s LiveJournal. As I related back then, I loved the supplement, but had an issue with something in it, namely the way Chanukah had been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I immediately downloaded it, since I knew it was coming from having read Fred&#8217;s LiveJournal. As I related back then, I loved the supplement, but had an issue with something in it, namely the way Chanukah had been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.dmperez.com/2007/12/02/bothered-and-bothered-by-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2996</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I saw and downloaded Hanukkah Havoc already, and did not like it either. Yeah, it&#039;s &quot;Hannukah&quot; themed (and not really, it could have been set around any holiday by just changing the contraption to allude to another symbol), but it was flat and cartoony. Not offensive, just bleh. I think people keep missing out on the richness of the holiday as a source for really good material for games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I saw and downloaded Hanukkah Havoc already, and did not like it either. Yeah, it&#8217;s &#8220;Hannukah&#8221; themed (and not really, it could have been set around any holiday by just changing the contraption to allude to another symbol), but it was flat and cartoony. Not offensive, just bleh. I think people keep missing out on the richness of the holiday as a source for really good material for games.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the cover image (which looks more like Christmas) and the inaccurate date for the last night of Hanukkah this year, check out Hankkah Havoc for Spycraft (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=51508). Now there&#039;s a nice one-scene adventure with a Jewish/Israeli theme! A good balance of pulp-style exaggerated action and serious political back-story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the cover image (which looks more like Christmas) and the inaccurate date for the last night of Hanukkah this year, check out Hankkah Havoc for Spycraft (<a href="http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=51508" rel="nofollow">http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=51508</a>). Now there&#8217;s a nice one-scene adventure with a Jewish/Israeli theme! A good balance of pulp-style exaggerated action and serious political back-story.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Perez</title>
		<link>http://www.dmperez.com/2007/12/02/bothered-and-bothered-by-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Are you getting upset by what you believe to be a Christian attack on your religion (which I do not see it as, because Santa is not Christian - at least not to me), or by something else? If it is, then what is it really?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, the answer to your first question is: No, this isn&#039;t about a Christian attack on Channukah, because as you well noted, this isn&#039;t about the religious meaning of the season, but rather its riffing on the more secular one, the whole Santa thing. I guess it&#039;s more about a cultural appropiation, and I don&#039;t know if you would be able to understand it as well given you are not in the minority. But then again, you might.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will agree with you that the religious meaning of Christmas is under a heavier assault there than Channukah, but then again, that is a larger cultural issue. As someone pointed out in the other thread where I am discussing this, if Santa had gone to save baby Jesus, then we&#039;d be in the very same place and you (as well as any other Christian) would be quite more irate. I guess it is about how it&#039;s ok to culturally-appropiate Channukah, but no one would dream of doing the same to the Christian meaning of Christmas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And just to be clear, I am very much in favor of Christmas being taken back to its religious roots and celebrated for what it is. There&#039;s a reason why Jews don&#039;t celebrate it, and it is precisely because of that reason that Christians &lt;b&gt;should&lt;/b&gt; celebrate it correctly and fully in the know of the relevance and importance it has to them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Man, I wish I had something useful to say. I’m at a loss.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Mick, from your gut, man. The reason I sent this to you guys is because you are all spiritual but from other angles, so you&#039;d be able to examine my reaction from a variety of POVs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;It’s just that I wish everybody else would stop celebrating my holiday and turning it into something it’s not.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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David, again, in the other thread, someone made a very true assertion: just call it a Christmas supplement; calling it a &quot;Holiday&quot; supplement hints at a sense of inclusive pluralism that effectively robs us of our identity and tradition, because we are the minority and get swallowed up by the avalanche that is the general populace.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you getting upset by what you believe to be a Christian attack on your religion (which I do not see it as, because Santa is not Christian &#8211; at least not to me), or by something else? If it is, then what is it really?</i>
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Chris, the answer to your first question is: No, this isn&#8217;t about a Christian attack on Channukah, because as you well noted, this isn&#8217;t about the religious meaning of the season, but rather its riffing on the more secular one, the whole Santa thing. I guess it&#8217;s more about a cultural appropiation, and I don&#8217;t know if you would be able to understand it as well given you are not in the minority. But then again, you might.</p>
<p>I will agree with you that the religious meaning of Christmas is under a heavier assault there than Channukah, but then again, that is a larger cultural issue. As someone pointed out in the other thread where I am discussing this, if Santa had gone to save baby Jesus, then we&#8217;d be in the very same place and you (as well as any other Christian) would be quite more irate. I guess it is about how it&#8217;s ok to culturally-appropiate Channukah, but no one would dream of doing the same to the Christian meaning of Christmas.</p>
<p>And just to be clear, I am very much in favor of Christmas being taken back to its religious roots and celebrated for what it is. There&#8217;s a reason why Jews don&#8217;t celebrate it, and it is precisely because of that reason that Christians <b>should</b> celebrate it correctly and fully in the know of the relevance and importance it has to them.</p>
<p><i>Man, I wish I had something useful to say. I’m at a loss.</i>
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Mick, from your gut, man. The reason I sent this to you guys is because you are all spiritual but from other angles, so you&#8217;d be able to examine my reaction from a variety of POVs.</p>
<p><i>It’s just that I wish everybody else would stop celebrating my holiday and turning it into something it’s not.</i>
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David, again, in the other thread, someone made a very true assertion: just call it a Christmas supplement; calling it a &#8220;Holiday&#8221; supplement hints at a sense of inclusive pluralism that effectively robs us of our identity and tradition, because we are the minority and get swallowed up by the avalanche that is the general populace.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shavua Tov.

I would definitely enjoy a special Chanukah gaming session centered on Judah Hammer and his brothers. But (not having read the publication) I can guess that a different set of heroes for one of the adventure hooks would not make much sense for the supplement.

Still, I agree with you 100 percent. It&#039;s not that I blame Evil Hat for trying (and you made it clear that you don&#039;t either). It&#039;s just that I wish everybody else would stop celebrating my holiday and turning it into something it&#039;s not. I hate when I walk into a store and I&#039;m told &quot;Happy holidays&quot; or when at work they schedule the &quot;holiday party.&quot; They can say &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; to me. I&#039;m not offended. I acknowledge that I&#039;m in the minority here and recognize people&#039;s right to celebrate their holiday even if it&#039;s terribly inconvenient for me. What really bothers me is that they pick this holiday of mine as the one to pay attention to. What about Sukkot or Pesach or Shavuot? What really bothers me is the suggestion that Chanukah is also celebrated by giving gifts instead of by eating fried foods and gambling. And to top it all off, those Jews who don&#039;t know any better, believe what they hear from other sources instead learning about the richness of our own traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shavua Tov.</p>
<p>I would definitely enjoy a special Chanukah gaming session centered on Judah Hammer and his brothers. But (not having read the publication) I can guess that a different set of heroes for one of the adventure hooks would not make much sense for the supplement.</p>
<p>Still, I agree with you 100 percent. It&#8217;s not that I blame Evil Hat for trying (and you made it clear that you don&#8217;t either). It&#8217;s just that I wish everybody else would stop celebrating my holiday and turning it into something it&#8217;s not. I hate when I walk into a store and I&#8217;m told &#8220;Happy holidays&#8221; or when at work they schedule the &#8220;holiday party.&#8221; They can say &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; to me. I&#8217;m not offended. I acknowledge that I&#8217;m in the minority here and recognize people&#8217;s right to celebrate their holiday even if it&#8217;s terribly inconvenient for me. What really bothers me is that they pick this holiday of mine as the one to pay attention to. What about Sukkot or Pesach or Shavuot? What really bothers me is the suggestion that Chanukah is also celebrated by giving gifts instead of by eating fried foods and gambling. And to top it all off, those Jews who don&#8217;t know any better, believe what they hear from other sources instead learning about the richness of our own traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.dmperez.com/2007/12/02/bothered-and-bothered-by-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2954</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I wish I had something useful to say. I&#039;m at a loss.

Let me try to let my thoughts stew as I put myself in your shoes as best I can and see if I can get a better sense of how that would make me feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I wish I had something useful to say. I&#8217;m at a loss.</p>
<p>Let me try to let my thoughts stew as I put myself in your shoes as best I can and see if I can get a better sense of how that would make me feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Hussman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hussman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;appropriating your holiday&lt;/i&gt;...

Well, maybe. But is it being taken advantage of any more than Christmas is? As a Christian, how much do I see of Christ&#039;s birth outside of Sunday Mass? Not much. It&#039;s all Santa. Yes, perhaps a secularized version of Saint Nicholas. Heck, everythign you mentioned has &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; to do with the real meaniong of Christmas.

It&#039;s all how you look at it, really... I could get all torn up at what happens to a significant event in my religious calendar, but quite honestly, I don&#039;t. It doesn&#039;t affect my faith and beliefs one bit. I still have my relationship with Christ, and that ultimately is what matters to me. The rest of the world can melt away.

Are you getting upset by what you believe to be a Christian attack on your religion (which I do not see it as, because Santa is not Christian - at least not to me), or by something else? If it is, then what is it really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>appropriating your holiday</i>&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, maybe. But is it being taken advantage of any more than Christmas is? As a Christian, how much do I see of Christ&#8217;s birth outside of Sunday Mass? Not much. It&#8217;s all Santa. Yes, perhaps a secularized version of Saint Nicholas. Heck, everythign you mentioned has <i>nothing</i> to do with the real meaniong of Christmas.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all how you look at it, really&#8230; I could get all torn up at what happens to a significant event in my religious calendar, but quite honestly, I don&#8217;t. It doesn&#8217;t affect my faith and beliefs one bit. I still have my relationship with Christ, and that ultimately is what matters to me. The rest of the world can melt away.</p>
<p>Are you getting upset by what you believe to be a Christian attack on your religion (which I do not see it as, because Santa is not Christian &#8211; at least not to me), or by something else? If it is, then what is it really?</p>
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